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		<title>Comment on Mountain bikers at your picnic? You decide. by Donna Barstow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna Barstow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Apr 2013 02:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent analysis, Ms. A. I appreciate that. I&#039;m not a horse owner or rider, and I have heard from more cyclists than riders here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent analysis, Ms. A. I appreciate that. I&#8217;m not a horse owner or rider, and I have heard from more cyclists than riders here.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why do they kill horses with a broken leg? by Horse rider for life</title>
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		<dc:creator>Horse rider for life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Apr 2013 01:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t get why people are soooooo cruel it makes me mad that people would do that to the horses.... I have 2 horses and don&#039;t think I would be anywhere without them they are my whole world!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get why people are soooooo cruel it makes me mad that people would do that to the horses&#8230;. I have 2 horses and don&#8217;t think I would be anywhere without them they are my whole world!!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mountain bikers at your picnic? You decide. by Ms. A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ms. A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Apr 2013 02:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My thoughts all pertain to Griffith Park, but are the same thoughts for any place where there are steep inclines (and therefore steep declines) and many blind curves such as is found in GP:
 
1. Horse manure breaks down in nature and helps with the vegetation growth as well as feeding many of the animals found in Griffith Park or any natural setting.

2. The bridle &quot;trails&quot; in the hills are fire roads and, by nature of fire roads, they are hard packed and the passage of the 1000+ pound horses doesn&#039;t make a difference. The ruts that are there would be there if no one ever walked/rode a horse/rode a bicycle/drove an emergency vehicle on the road.

3. A horse moves around 3 mph to 10 miles per hour and in the hilly areas they are moving at the higher speed going up hill. There are very (underlined) few people who go faster than a walk going down the hills in Griffith Park. A bicycle would probably be coming down a steep incline at anything from 10 mph to 25 mph. Do the math. Running into a 1000-1400 pound wall isn&#039;t something one would want to have happen. On the flat trails the bicyclist and horse (as well as any hiker, jogger, family walking with a stroller or runner) would still have to deal with the sudden appearance of a bicycle - or bicycles - going anywhere from 10 to 25 mph; the trail may be flat but the cliffs are still there.  

4. Take into account that a horse when surprised by something coming at them all of a sudden out of the blue might just stand there and the bicyclist might be able to scoot by, but the horse could panic and turn towards the downhill side and then by taking up 5 to 6 feet of trail cause the bicyclist to hit the horse or fall off the road over the cliff, or the horse could turn to the inside of the trail and as the bicyclist maybe tries to go past on the outside, kick out; or if the bicyclist tries to go on the inside, the horse could rear....there&#039;s no telling what a horse will do when something comes at them - either from the front or, worse yet, from the back. The horse - even the best trained horse - bottom line relies on flight to save their lives. 

5. In the case of GP, the people who keep horses in the Rancho and Atwater Village area have only one place to ride: Griffith Park. I don&#039;t have numbers but based on over 30 years of talking with people who board in these areas, hardly anyone has a horse trailer so they have no way to take their horse to another area to ride - GP is it. Bicyclists can put their bikes in their cars&#039; back seats, on their cars&#039; roofs, in the trunk or on a carrier attached to their car and they can drive less than 30 minutes and be able to access hundreds of miles of trails that are open to bicyclists. Also, please note that not everyone who has a horse is rich, lives in a fancy house or even owns the horse they ride.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My thoughts all pertain to Griffith Park, but are the same thoughts for any place where there are steep inclines (and therefore steep declines) and many blind curves such as is found in GP:</p>
<p>1. Horse manure breaks down in nature and helps with the vegetation growth as well as feeding many of the animals found in Griffith Park or any natural setting.</p>
<p>2. The bridle &#8220;trails&#8221; in the hills are fire roads and, by nature of fire roads, they are hard packed and the passage of the 1000+ pound horses doesn&#8217;t make a difference. The ruts that are there would be there if no one ever walked/rode a horse/rode a bicycle/drove an emergency vehicle on the road.</p>
<p>3. A horse moves around 3 mph to 10 miles per hour and in the hilly areas they are moving at the higher speed going up hill. There are very (underlined) few people who go faster than a walk going down the hills in Griffith Park. A bicycle would probably be coming down a steep incline at anything from 10 mph to 25 mph. Do the math. Running into a 1000-1400 pound wall isn&#8217;t something one would want to have happen. On the flat trails the bicyclist and horse (as well as any hiker, jogger, family walking with a stroller or runner) would still have to deal with the sudden appearance of a bicycle &#8211; or bicycles &#8211; going anywhere from 10 to 25 mph; the trail may be flat but the cliffs are still there.  </p>
<p>4. Take into account that a horse when surprised by something coming at them all of a sudden out of the blue might just stand there and the bicyclist might be able to scoot by, but the horse could panic and turn towards the downhill side and then by taking up 5 to 6 feet of trail cause the bicyclist to hit the horse or fall off the road over the cliff, or the horse could turn to the inside of the trail and as the bicyclist maybe tries to go past on the outside, kick out; or if the bicyclist tries to go on the inside, the horse could rear&#8230;.there&#8217;s no telling what a horse will do when something comes at them &#8211; either from the front or, worse yet, from the back. The horse &#8211; even the best trained horse &#8211; bottom line relies on flight to save their lives. </p>
<p>5. In the case of GP, the people who keep horses in the Rancho and Atwater Village area have only one place to ride: Griffith Park. I don&#8217;t have numbers but based on over 30 years of talking with people who board in these areas, hardly anyone has a horse trailer so they have no way to take their horse to another area to ride &#8211; GP is it. Bicyclists can put their bikes in their cars&#8217; back seats, on their cars&#8217; roofs, in the trunk or on a carrier attached to their car and they can drive less than 30 minutes and be able to access hundreds of miles of trails that are open to bicyclists. Also, please note that not everyone who has a horse is rich, lives in a fancy house or even owns the horse they ride.</p>
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		<title>Comment on When Prison Break clashes with the Los Angeles DWP. by Felix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Apr 2013 09:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He is a great actor as T-BAG , both of them are the most nice acting for me on prison break,i hate him so much on season 1&amp;2,but somehow he is turning back to a good man than i knew he is about to die, anyway i love him so much on prison break,i cried at the end that he died :( .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He is a great actor as T-BAG , both of them are the most nice acting for me on prison break,i hate him so much on season 1&amp;2,but somehow he is turning back to a good man than i knew he is about to die, anyway i love him so much on prison break,i cried at the end that he died :( .</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why do they kill horses with a broken leg? by Mokrane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mokrane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Mar 2013 00:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very nice.


Mokrane]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice.</p>
<p>Mokrane</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why do they kill horses with a broken leg? by Donna Barstow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna Barstow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2013 03:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We also have the choice to put down people who spend their lives on meds or have broken legs. Most of the time we choose not to. Choice should be ethical, not based on ignorance or cheapness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We also have the choice to put down people who spend their lives on meds or have broken legs. Most of the time we choose not to. Choice should be ethical, not based on ignorance or cheapness.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why do they kill horses with a broken leg? by anyone</title>
		<link>http://donnabarstow.com/park_blog/2008/05/28/why-do-they-kill-a-horse-with-a-broken-leg/comment-page-2/#comment-73349</link>
		<dc:creator>anyone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 03:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Too me it depends on what the owner of the horse wants to do with THERE animal if they want to fix the injury they can fix it if they want to put it out of it&#039;s misery they can. The people who want to put the animal out of it&#039;s misery might no want to take created if the horse is in pain all the time and a horse on drugs to stop the pain isn&#039;t normal for it&#039;s life and they might  not want to live with a horse that is always in pain or needs drugs regularly. They also might not have 10,000 dollars just laying around to save there horse witch is completely fine because NOT every one is made out of money, and yes it&#039;s very sad that the horse has to be put down but some times it&#039;s for the best.

Now the people who want to save there horse that is also fine i mean they love there horse and horses can be pets too. If they have the money to pay for the horse to get fixed then they can i mean they can work something out for paying off the money. I guess what i&#039;m trying to say is the owner can fix the horses leg or they can put it down it&#039;s there chose. We can say way did you put down your horse you could have fixed it&#039;s leg or You have to put it down because it&#039;s got a broken leg. Say as much as it you like. but it&#039;s there life and there horse.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too me it depends on what the owner of the horse wants to do with THERE animal if they want to fix the injury they can fix it if they want to put it out of it&#8217;s misery they can. The people who want to put the animal out of it&#8217;s misery might no want to take created if the horse is in pain all the time and a horse on drugs to stop the pain isn&#8217;t normal for it&#8217;s life and they might  not want to live with a horse that is always in pain or needs drugs regularly. They also might not have 10,000 dollars just laying around to save there horse witch is completely fine because NOT every one is made out of money, and yes it&#8217;s very sad that the horse has to be put down but some times it&#8217;s for the best.</p>
<p>Now the people who want to save there horse that is also fine i mean they love there horse and horses can be pets too. If they have the money to pay for the horse to get fixed then they can i mean they can work something out for paying off the money. I guess what i&#8217;m trying to say is the owner can fix the horses leg or they can put it down it&#8217;s there chose. We can say way did you put down your horse you could have fixed it&#8217;s leg or You have to put it down because it&#8217;s got a broken leg. Say as much as it you like. but it&#8217;s there life and there horse.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why do they kill horses with a broken leg? by Sanam.horse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sanam.horse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2013 13:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why they kill horses its toooo sade poor horses]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why they kill horses its toooo sade poor horses</p>
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