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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://donnabarstow.com/park_blog/2009/09/25/coyote-killings-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-13873</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They should have been killed. Cry me a river! These animals are a nusense. They devistate whole farms of their livestock and living, and there fur make a great warm throw blanket!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They should have been killed. Cry me a river! These animals are a nusense. They devistate whole farms of their livestock and living, and there fur make a great warm throw blanket!</p>
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		<title>By: Los Angeles lofts</title>
		<link>http://donnabarstow.com/park_blog/2009/09/25/coyote-killings-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-13552</link>
		<dc:creator>Los Angeles lofts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 04:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just a tragic story all around.  We need to be careful in the park, it is a nature community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just a tragic story all around.  We need to be careful in the park, it is a nature community.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna Barstow</title>
		<link>http://donnabarstow.com/park_blog/2009/09/25/coyote-killings-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-13509</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna Barstow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kristin, I know. I was just asking whether anyone had ever been fined, not whether they had a gun (pointed at or on) them.

Also, does anyone know anything about the first man? Was he homeless?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kristin, I know. I was just asking whether anyone had ever been fined, not whether they had a gun (pointed at or on) them.</p>
<p>Also, does anyone know anything about the first man? Was he homeless?</p>
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		<title>By: Kristin Sabo</title>
		<link>http://donnabarstow.com/park_blog/2009/09/25/coyote-killings-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-13506</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristin Sabo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 16:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Greg,

I hope I was pretty clear with where the source of the problem lies, too.

A short story - a &quot;park acquaintance&quot; of mine called me yesterday asking about the coyotes and relating how one comes up to his car all the time in Griffith to be fed. He then told me that =&gt;&gt;he feeds them&lt;&lt;=   and I gave him a 30 minute ear-full.  I thought my friends had more sense than that.

Looks like we all have a lot of educating to do.


Donna, Park Rangers cannot use guns - any guns - by Rec and Parks department policy. (They are certified if they are peace officers, but the department has a policy otherwise). That is why they cannot use paintball guns. Animal Services, and professionals like Greg Randall, handle these things.

Office of Public Safety is the other agency, and unless their officers are ex-park rangers or are specifically assigned to LA Zoo security, they pretty much know ZERO about wild animals. They receive peace officer training and that is just about all.

That said, OPS should absolutely be citing for illegally feeding wildlife. However, OPS&#039;s record with citing for what are considered lesser crimes is pretty poor, unfortunately. That is a whole other parks issue in and unto itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Greg,</p>
<p>I hope I was pretty clear with where the source of the problem lies, too.</p>
<p>A short story &#8211; a &#8220;park acquaintance&#8221; of mine called me yesterday asking about the coyotes and relating how one comes up to his car all the time in Griffith to be fed. He then told me that =&gt;&gt;he feeds them&lt;&lt;=   and I gave him a 30 minute ear-full.  I thought my friends had more sense than that.</p>
<p>Looks like we all have a lot of educating to do.</p>
<p>Donna, Park Rangers cannot use guns &#8211; any guns &#8211; by Rec and Parks department policy. (They are certified if they are peace officers, but the department has a policy otherwise). That is why they cannot use paintball guns. Animal Services, and professionals like Greg Randall, handle these things.</p>
<p>Office of Public Safety is the other agency, and unless their officers are ex-park rangers or are specifically assigned to LA Zoo security, they pretty much know ZERO about wild animals. They receive peace officer training and that is just about all.</p>
<p>That said, OPS should absolutely be citing for illegally feeding wildlife. However, OPS&#039;s record with citing for what are considered lesser crimes is pretty poor, unfortunately. That is a whole other parks issue in and unto itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna Barstow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna Barstow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Officer Randall, what would the city of LA do without you? Your attention and care and knowledge are invaluable to the city.

I didn&#039;t know you actually use paintballs - very creative, effective, and I salute you. And thank you for info on the fine.

However: There were 9 coyotes killed, not 8, which F&amp;G &amp; USDA told me directly, in this post. And at least 7 of those dogs did nothing.

I hope there are more effective measures after paint balls than to randomly start shooting animals. (I know that you yourself would never suggest doing this.) Let me ask you, or ask the city: has anyone ever BEEN fined for feeding the animals? Even cited? I know the Rangers can only cite, unfortunately - I don&#039;t know why their hands are tied, as this certainly makes the park less safe. I don&#039;t know if those other safety people, forget their name, can do anything more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Officer Randall, what would the city of LA do without you? Your attention and care and knowledge are invaluable to the city.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t know you actually use paintballs &#8211; very creative, effective, and I salute you. And thank you for info on the fine.</p>
<p>However: There were 9 coyotes killed, not 8, which F&#038;G &#038; USDA told me directly, in this post. And at least 7 of those dogs did nothing.</p>
<p>I hope there are more effective measures after paint balls than to randomly start shooting animals. (I know that you yourself would never suggest doing this.) Let me ask you, or ask the city: has anyone ever BEEN fined for feeding the animals? Even cited? I know the Rangers can only cite, unfortunately &#8211; I don&#8217;t know why their hands are tied, as this certainly makes the park less safe. I don&#8217;t know if those other safety people, forget their name, can do anything more.</p>
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		<title>By: Officer Randall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Officer Randall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 01:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about I tell you exactly what happened. 2 men bitten by a coyote nearly 3 weeks apart in the exact same area and in the exact same manner. The 1st victim never spoke to the Wildlife Division directly and only spoke with the Health Department. The 2nd victim did call and had the exact same bite as the 1st victim. Protocol requires reporting bites from wildlife to be reported to LA County Veterinary Health Services and when it is a Bear, Bobcat, Coyote, Mountain lion, Wolf and some other large exotic wild animal that must also be reported to Fish and Game. When a coyote bites a human that is an automatic response from Wildlife Services, a division if USDA to become involved. The death of any coyotes which the actual number in this case being 8 in total was a result of humans feeding them and disregarding posted notices to not feed wildlife. I do not want coyotes killed and chase them off or use a paint ball gun for tough case coyotes to frighten them off and had done so in this location in the past. Sadly, the feeding here was so heavy I was not able to make a long lasting impression on the coyotes there. So we humans have only ourselves to blame when wildlife dies in this manner. People always say to me &quot;What if this had been a toddler&quot; well it could have been and yes at that point people would most likely say 8 is not enough. It should be NONE! but a fed coyote is often a dead coyote as horrible as that may sound. I hope people reading this will not feed the wildlife in the park as the feeders will only have themselves to blame if wildlife dies as a result. If you love wildlife let them be wild, Scare them to keep them away from those who may harm them which also protects people.

I will not say please don&#039;t feed the wildlife, I will say Do Not Feed the Wildlife as you can be fined $500.00 to $1,000.00 dollars, be arrested and spend 6 months in jail. That is violation of L.A.M.C. 53.06.5 Feeding of Non-Domesticated Predators Prohibited.

Thank you,

Officer Gregory Randall, Wildlife Specialist for the City of Los Angeles Animal Services.

To learn more, visit the Fish and Game &quot;Keep Me Wild&quot; site at http://www.dfg.ca.gov/keepmewild and the Los Angeles Animal Service site at: http://www.laanimalservices.com/aboutani_wildlife.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about I tell you exactly what happened. 2 men bitten by a coyote nearly 3 weeks apart in the exact same area and in the exact same manner. The 1st victim never spoke to the Wildlife Division directly and only spoke with the Health Department. The 2nd victim did call and had the exact same bite as the 1st victim. Protocol requires reporting bites from wildlife to be reported to LA County Veterinary Health Services and when it is a Bear, Bobcat, Coyote, Mountain lion, Wolf and some other large exotic wild animal that must also be reported to Fish and Game. When a coyote bites a human that is an automatic response from Wildlife Services, a division if USDA to become involved. The death of any coyotes which the actual number in this case being 8 in total was a result of humans feeding them and disregarding posted notices to not feed wildlife. I do not want coyotes killed and chase them off or use a paint ball gun for tough case coyotes to frighten them off and had done so in this location in the past. Sadly, the feeding here was so heavy I was not able to make a long lasting impression on the coyotes there. So we humans have only ourselves to blame when wildlife dies in this manner. People always say to me &#8220;What if this had been a toddler&#8221; well it could have been and yes at that point people would most likely say 8 is not enough. It should be NONE! but a fed coyote is often a dead coyote as horrible as that may sound. I hope people reading this will not feed the wildlife in the park as the feeders will only have themselves to blame if wildlife dies as a result. If you love wildlife let them be wild, Scare them to keep them away from those who may harm them which also protects people.</p>
<p>I will not say please don&#8217;t feed the wildlife, I will say Do Not Feed the Wildlife as you can be fined $500.00 to $1,000.00 dollars, be arrested and spend 6 months in jail. That is violation of L.A.M.C. 53.06.5 Feeding of Non-Domesticated Predators Prohibited.</p>
<p>Thank you,</p>
<p>Officer Gregory Randall, Wildlife Specialist for the City of Los Angeles Animal Services.</p>
<p>To learn more, visit the Fish and Game &#8220;Keep Me Wild&#8221; site at <a href="http://www.dfg.ca.gov/keepmewild" rel="nofollow">http://www.dfg.ca.gov/keepmewild</a> and the Los Angeles Animal Service site at: <a href="http://www.laanimalservices.com/aboutani_wildlife.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.laanimalservices.com/aboutani_wildlife.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kristin Sabo</title>
		<link>http://donnabarstow.com/park_blog/2009/09/25/coyote-killings-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-13472</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristin Sabo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got it on insider info that the person bit was not an employee of the Department of Recreation and Parks.  And it sure as hell wasn&#039;t a Park Ranger, Donna. Seriously. Can you imagine how fast any Ranger sleeping on the job IN A PARK would be reported? Hell, OPS would report &#039;em just to be *ssholes, quite honestly. So no way, jose. No one is that dumb. Wasn&#039;t a RAP employee, and it sure as hell wasn&#039;t a Ranger.

Could have been from some other department, or more likely just someone taking a nap in the park. I see guys doing this all the time, both in an innocent manner and those who are looking to indulge in lewd conduct and are waiting for the right lover boy to come along (creeps). I&#039;m in the park 800 hours a year, often more. I see alot.

Mostly, its just dudes taking naps during their lunch hour or break. Women would never feel safe enough to just take a nap out in the open somewhere, but lots of guys do. I&#039;ve even seen LAPD and CHP on breaks getting a quick catnap. The park is a nice place to be 99% of the time.  :-)

OK, on the County deal, Animal Services probably files a report to Fish and Game. MDs must report animal bites to the county health department. pretty sure I said that.  I think Fish and Game is the lead state agency on these issues from the wildlife end of things - while LA Co Health is the lead agency for the health/disease end of things. Fish and Game is going to get the report and make a decision, or somebody is going to be in big big trouble. The agency not required to be told is Rec and Parks quite honestly. A courtesy notification would eventually be made (one would hope!), and that is what happened here.

I like giving you work to do. You&#039;re an excellent researcher!

Fines are good. Enforcement is needed, as is education. You and I both know the state of funding for the department tasked with both - basically non-existent. So this is going to be hard to make changes, but I&#039;m hearing Rec and Parks is going to do it. They have to. We all agree on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got it on insider info that the person bit was not an employee of the Department of Recreation and Parks.  And it sure as hell wasn&#8217;t a Park Ranger, Donna. Seriously. Can you imagine how fast any Ranger sleeping on the job IN A PARK would be reported? Hell, OPS would report &#8216;em just to be *ssholes, quite honestly. So no way, jose. No one is that dumb. Wasn&#8217;t a RAP employee, and it sure as hell wasn&#8217;t a Ranger.</p>
<p>Could have been from some other department, or more likely just someone taking a nap in the park. I see guys doing this all the time, both in an innocent manner and those who are looking to indulge in lewd conduct and are waiting for the right lover boy to come along (creeps). I&#8217;m in the park 800 hours a year, often more. I see alot.</p>
<p>Mostly, its just dudes taking naps during their lunch hour or break. Women would never feel safe enough to just take a nap out in the open somewhere, but lots of guys do. I&#8217;ve even seen LAPD and CHP on breaks getting a quick catnap. The park is a nice place to be 99% of the time.  :-)</p>
<p>OK, on the County deal, Animal Services probably files a report to Fish and Game. MDs must report animal bites to the county health department. pretty sure I said that.  I think Fish and Game is the lead state agency on these issues from the wildlife end of things &#8211; while LA Co Health is the lead agency for the health/disease end of things. Fish and Game is going to get the report and make a decision, or somebody is going to be in big big trouble. The agency not required to be told is Rec and Parks quite honestly. A courtesy notification would eventually be made (one would hope!), and that is what happened here.</p>
<p>I like giving you work to do. You&#8217;re an excellent researcher!</p>
<p>Fines are good. Enforcement is needed, as is education. You and I both know the state of funding for the department tasked with both &#8211; basically non-existent. So this is going to be hard to make changes, but I&#8217;m hearing Rec and Parks is going to do it. They have to. We all agree on that.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna Barstow</title>
		<link>http://donnabarstow.com/park_blog/2009/09/25/coyote-killings-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-13462</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna Barstow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 07:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kristin, your second comment:

First, thanks for all the work writing this.

I agree, they should have reported it to the Rangers first thing. However, as one city person told me...the first person likely WAS a city employee. Maybe a ranger himself? I hope not. In any case, they didn&#039;t. 

Do you have a link that says the County reports to F&amp;G? Because as I said, Dr. Ehnert says they don&#039;t.

I agree the feeding is unacceptable. But I don&#039;t see much diff between that and leaving all your garbage around for them to root through. In both cases, people have to stop. Fines would be a good solution to both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kristin, your second comment:</p>
<p>First, thanks for all the work writing this.</p>
<p>I agree, they should have reported it to the Rangers first thing. However, as one city person told me&#8230;the first person likely WAS a city employee. Maybe a ranger himself? I hope not. In any case, they didn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>Do you have a link that says the County reports to F&#038;G? Because as I said, Dr. Ehnert says they don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I agree the feeding is unacceptable. But I don&#8217;t see much diff between that and leaving all your garbage around for them to root through. In both cases, people have to stop. Fines would be a good solution to both.</p>
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